Randal Rauser is associate professor of historical theology at Taylor Seminary, Edmonton, Canada and was granted Taylor's first annual teaching award for Outstanding Service to Students in 2005.
March 16th, 2010 11:24 AM ET
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Ms. B points out that physical death came before Adam's fall

Here, dear reader, continues the conversation of Mr. A and Ms. B from Why Ms. B doesn't think we need a historical Adam (Part 1)

Mr. A: So Ms. B, let me get this straight. You are suggesting that in Genesis 1-3 God may have accommodated to Ancient Near Eastern cosmology which assumed a first human person - an "Adam" - in the same way that God accommodated to the three-storied cosmology of the ancient world that is assumed in Philippians 2. Correct?

Ms. B: It is a possibility to be explored, yes.

Mr. A: Forget the "possibility to be explored" stuff. Do you believe this is the case?

Ms. B: I think it is likely true, but I am not sure of all the implications that flow from it. And Mr. A, I will ask you not to raise your voice to me again, sir.

Mr. A: My apologies ma'am. Let me point out one implication that makes me uncomfortable. How can you have a fall into sin on your view? If there is no Adam, then there is no fall. Right?

Ms. B: Wrong. But before we talk about sin, I think we need to talk about evil.

Mr. A: Come again?

Ms. B: Do you hold to young earth creationism?

Mr. A: Define it.

Ms. B: The earth is young, perhaps six to ten thousand years old. It was created in six literal days. All the animals lived with one another. Humans schmoozed with T-rex and brachiosauraus as surely as cats and kangaroos. And everyone ate from a giant salad bar (more or less).

Mr. A: Wait. That sounds like the Flintstones.

Ms. B: Well except that there were no stone-age drive-ins or ped-powered cars. But basically yes. On this view it is only after Adam and Eve sinned that some animals became carnivores or omnivores and predation, carnivory and death (along with fossilization) entered the world.

Mr. A: No, I certainly don't believe that. You just have to look at the fossil record. You don't ever find a human femur lodged in a bed of trilobite or T-rex fossils, do you?

Ms. B: No I don't think you do, at least not that I've seen pass muster in a peer-reviewed journal (though anecdotes do tend to get passed around).

Mr. A: So I guess I have to accept that there was death in the world prior to the fall of Adam and Eve.

Ms. B: Not just death but a whole lot of death, it would seem. You mentioned trilobites. One bed of trilobite fossils can contain millions of specimens of a creature that was extinct a quarter billion years before Adam purportedly came on the scene.

Mr. A: Where you going with all this Ms. B? My rooibos tea is growing cold.

Ms. B: Let me read Genesis 1:29-30:

Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move on the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

Now Mr. A. Before you oblige me to discuss the fall, I'd like to know what you think of this passage. How can it be that the text says all fauna were given flora for food when we know that predation, carnivory and death were the state of the world for millions of years?

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